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Should we increase our Keeper Totals by 5? (to be implemented 2106-2017).
1. Nope. Please leave totals as they currently are.
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2. Yes. I would like to add 5 keepers to everyone's totals. We would then keep between 15-18 players depending upon order of finish.
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BeitragThema: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   30.07.15 16:54

Hi all.  I hope that this note finds everyone happy and well.

With the Vote Cancellation Poll decided, I now move on to another issue that has been raised from one of our fine GMs.  That issue is:  Increasing Keeper Totals by 5.

We are currently keeping in the range of 10 - 13 players depending on order of finish.  It has been suggested that an increase of 5 (holding 15 - 18 players) would allow GMs to hold on to younger players who have just lost their Farm Team Status while still allowing for an interesting draft in September.

Let the Polling begin.


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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   30.07.15 17:31

I would like to 15+5 then increase rosters to 32 for a full year.
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   30.07.15 18:01

Hey Ray. Thanks for the feedback.

Just to clarify, you would like to add 5 keepers this year, with rosters expanding to 32?

Do I have that right?

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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   30.07.15 18:02

If need be I can tweak the poll above to give all options that people want. Just getting things rolling.
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   30.07.15 18:26

Originally I was thinking 15 + 5 prospects and increase roster to 32 for full season but i would go for 17 + 5 and (which I believe is what the poll is asking) then drop the max limit to 32 since we have add/drops this year. My original thought only saw an increase of 2-3 keepers.

I love drafting and hate to have less rounds but keeping 22 players is closer to an authentic NHL team I guess.

I was a not seeing it clearly at first. Which is a good reason to have the cancellation in voting.😄😄😄
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   30.07.15 18:28

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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   30.07.15 23:36

Yes, the poll is a bump of 5 keepers for all. So, first place hold 15, second place 16, third through eighth hold 17 and the last two would keep 18.
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   31.07.15 2:20

if this was implemented I hope it would occur at the end of next season not this upcoming season. i.e. for sep 2017. its a big league change and draft picks and moves may have been different had I known 5 extra keepers were in play
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   31.07.15 2:21

also it would give us 2 sep drafts to figure out how to adapt to this increase, if it goes down...
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   31.07.15 10:43

I would be open to the increase only if it took effect after this season.

Based on this do I vote yes or no???? Hahahaha
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   31.07.15 11:15

Adding 5 keepers to every team means 50 less quality guys to be able to draft. Could really water down our draft. We already got rid of January draft now we are proposing to make our September Draft More boring then An episode of Murder She Wrote.

Maybe by just adding 1-2 extra keepers per team or just keeping it the same might be better?

Plus the parity in our league has been really good. By allowing first place teams to keep even more guys will that change that? And if you finish last would you even want to keep 5 extra guys?

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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   31.07.15 11:53

Yes, this change would occur in 2016-2017.
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   31.07.15 12:12

sanders make a good point, take out another 50 guys from the draft and the sep draft loses some of its luster!
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   02.08.15 16:57

There are two different ways to look at this issue. We would definitely water down the September draft. We would go from 15 ish rounds to 10 ish rounds. Quality guys at 130 to 140 on Dobbers are:
130   Mark Giordano                                                                                                               131   Marian Gaborik
132 Ryan Kesler
133 Marcus Johansson
134 Jori Lehtera
135 Charlie Coyle
136 Anders Lee
137 Kevin Hayes
138 Milan Lucic
139 Mike Green
140 Leon Draisaitl

Quality keepers at 180 to 190 would be:
180 Justin Faulk
181 Lars Eller
182 Beau Bennett
183 Patrick Maroon
184 Mikhail Grabovski
185 Morgan Rielly
186 Seth Jones
187 J.T. Miller
188 Sami Vatanen
189 Alexander Semin
190 David Pastrnak

On the flip side near the end of season those same players would be the ones that would be expendable to teams not competing in playoffs and could be bought for mid to late round draft picks.

If you are about making cleaver trades and negotiating you will probably like the old way. If you are about watching players develop you will probably like more keepers. Either way we decide I don't think it will be a huge difference. There will probably be a little less sell off once you know you aren't going to make the playoffs, so trading will drop a little then. But there also will be less buying to build up a team right at playoffs too, which is a good thing. I'm guessing we are right down the middle in this league as to which we prefer. But that keeps things interesting.
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   04.08.15 12:56

Looking over some of our threads from previous drafts, I would say that most GM's have had their fill of drafting coming Round 11........

One can note the introductory signs of SDF (Sever Drafting Fatigue) which, as we all know, has known side effects such as headache, nausea, diarrhea, halitosis, hemorrhoids and the like.
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 9:42

I agree that it does get a bit boring after about round 11.

But raising keeper totals is now going to make it boring after about Round 5.

Why cant we just end draft after 10 rounds and u pick up faab to fill ur roster
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 10:27

i think increasing keeper totals by 5 each is a massive change to the core settings of this league. the 4 main things I would look at when joining a keeper league are the number of teams in a league, the style (i.e. h2h, roto), stats, and number of keepers allowed.

those are the categories I feel shouldn't be tweaked with (unless very minimal) unless EVERYONE is onboard since these are the main things most would have looked at when selecting a keeper league.

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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 14:05

i think this is a not so good idea and how it came out of nowhere and now is almost about to be passed through is beyond me. I dont remember anyone commenting on how we arent keeping enough keepers. If anything we keep to many keepers.


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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 15:01

Greetings gentlemen.

The idea certainly did not come out of nowhere Jarrett.  It came directly out of the Items to be Discussed at Seasons End thread.  Just the same as the vote cancellation did.

The whole idea of that thread, as I understand it, is that we are able to introduce ideas for change/improvement and have a vote on it.  If people don't like the idea or do not support the idea that is perfectly fine.  No harm done.  The important thing is that the GM with the idea has had his concern or idea raised and that everyone has an opportunity to have their voice heard.  Everyone should be happy about that as far as I am concerned.

What I think we ought to avoid is any sort crabiness here.  It's not good for the libido.  It may, in fact, even lower sperm count.  I have read studies on that.

Let's introduce our ideas, chit chat respectfully, vote, and move on to the next.

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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 16:26

I am the spokesperson for crabbiness and I can state with certainty that it doesn't lower sperm count. It fact, it increases the spew count, which is the verbiage that explodes from the crab's mouth, mostly in a hostile tone.

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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 16:36

I am going to need a sample Ray in order to verify your statement. Send it via UPS to 30 Napier St. in Barrie, Ontario.
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 16:37


Keeper idea was brought up in March and 2 people commented on it.
Both voicing there opinions against it.
Then it was never brought up again till now.

I like trading and i really enjoy the drafts. Wait, Draft.
If we are slowly getting out of doing those 2 things then i'm obviously going to have a stronger opinion then some guys on this. I'm not the 1st person to get a tad fired up about a topic.
Just voicing my opinion, as a member of this league i should be entitled to that

If another topic arises and you dont agree with it I sugges you too voice your opinions. Thats what makes a good fantasy hockey league. Everyones input.

If my opinion comes across as Crabiness i apologize. Will I still be able tp have kids?
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 16:43

Does it have to be 5 keepers?

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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 16:44

Nope.
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BeitragThema: Re: Official Poll on Keeper Totals   05.08.15 16:44

That was a nope to the keeper thing not to the kids.
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