2012 Picks

I also notice that a 2012 pick was traded in the recent transaction between Greg and Brandon. I didn't think that 2012 picks were in play yet, and I would suggest that we should wait until next year to start trading them. I think two years worth of draft picks are more than enough to trade during any given year. Otherwise it gets a little bit too difficult keeping track of everything.

Thoughts from anyone?

If this is the case, then I would suggest Greg and Brandon come up with an alternate solution.

Cheers,
Matt

I agree. Two years out with drat picks is plenty enough.

Remember I am getting older and it's difficult to keep track. Just you young'ems wait until you get to my age. LOL

When you have the chance, can people please respond to this thread. This is an issue I'd like to discuss and decide upon ASAP.

I'd like to get as much feedback over the next day or two as possible.

I agree, no tradey 2012y

i guess i agree. i wasn't the one who proposed involving the 2012 pick in our deal though. also i thought that we couldn't trade jan picks that were more than a year away, but that has happened as well so i just thought there were basically no pick trading restrictions.

not sure what this means for the trade that just happened, what if one of the players invovled gets a season ending injury tonight and this trade is in limbo? pretty drastic scenario, but w/ all the players getting injured it wouldn't surprise me

This issue hasn't been addressed recently because we have been agreeing as a group to release certain sets of draft picks as we go along. The last I remember discussing this was in the winter of this year where we agreed to open up Sept 2011 picks.

Since we haven't discussed this as a group I would suggest that after every draft we open up the next draft to play. So, after the 2010 Jan draft this year we can open up the Jan 2012 draft picks for trading. Having two sets of Sept picks and two sets of Jan picks seems like a reasonable number of picks to trade IMO.

As for your trade Brandon, I think it's easy enough to solve. I think you and Greg should settle on an extra 2010 or 2011 pick instead of the 2012 pick. If you choose a 2011 pick (which I'm assuming you will), you have almost two years to figure out a way to add an extra draft pick to replace that one. I don't think you'll suffer too much.

This is a minor thing, but I thought it needed to be addressed now so that we could agree as a group on the rules. That way we all know the boundaries and limitations.

also did we ever figure out what we are doing with trades being pushed through i.e. are we going to do so, or are we just going to let all of them go through naturally. might as well figure this out, while we are discussing this topic

As a group we decided to push trades through on ESPN. There haven't ben any issues with any of the trades, and this approach fits with our league's trade culture. Check out the previous thread for more details.

The only reason I haven't pushed through your trade yet is because I was waiting for the 2012 draft pick question to be settled. I'm assuming you and Greg can work something out over the next couple of days, which means you should have your new players for next week's match-up.

If you can't work something out, well, I guess the trade won't go through. But I can't see something like an extra 2010 or 2011 draft pick (instead of 2012) dissuading either of you.

i guess well find out soon enough

I had no idea that we could not deal 2012 picks to be honest.

Sorrygyus tis messageg might bemesxed up. BAttleing a bigtime codl. Hopped up onsomethingfor sure. I say we di awy wiht restricrtnions put keep inmind that certaim pl wlll tryto aabsue etricioins restrcitons if they aaernt in place. Maybe I'm not making sennse but it is coning out pergecrly here,

What the heck? Is that for real Jason? Is your cold medication LEGAL?

Dued spit on me on saturdaay adn doctor gave me some meds on W Thursdays. I was fine yestreyda. REwally dizzy rigth now.

havem't felt well sienc-===e monday. Have a cold but don't knows how long I will have this. going to cchheck it out thee locak CLSC mde center

For sure, get yourself well!

Geez man, make sure you're taking all the precautions. Get well soon.

Get on it fellas. Now is the time to make a trade with Jay!!

On the to trade issue:

I don't remember any discussion restricting '12 picks. I have to be honest, I see no problem in it whatsoever. So long as we have a nice little spreadsheet posted on the forum then any concerns about potential confusion would be dealt with.

The solution is simple in my mind: We make a 2012 spreadsheet and we let the trade go through in its original, unspoiled state of purcopulous perfection.

G

i see where the rest of the league is coming here. i would agree if i weren't involved in a trade.

not sure what greg and i are going to do, a couple ideas have got thrown in the air but nothing thats sticking.



by the way jay get better buddy! if thats how your typing not sure how much you can understand this haha jk in all serious lets talk some zetty!

The point is what you've just stated: that we hadn't discussed opening up 2012 picks. For every other set of draft picks we've opened up we have discussed it as a group.

If a majority of fellow agree to open up 2012 picks then we can do it, but again, I just think it will be too confusing. Especially since draft picks are sometimes traded back and forth and mistakes are made. It could present a real challenge on tracking draft picks back through several potential trades during a three year period.

I will post a poll on this forum and we can vote on it as a group.

And I'm not sure why this has to be a sticking point for this trade either. Sheesh.

Brandon, give Greg either your 2nd round or your 4th round pick from 2011. Problem solved. Or maybe your first round pick from Jan 2010.

Funny thing is I can understand what he is saying. Scary!

Some background experience where picks are concerned. In my other forever pool, some guys trade them away all the time. One guy hasn't drafted in 15 years. About three guys in a 12 team league, really have no picks for the next four years. That's right. Four years. This pool is VERY stable. There has not been an ownership change in close to 10 years. Thus, these patterns are not problematic. One of the problems that will occur at some point in time, is that an owner, without draft picks, will leave. We have that potential right now. At that time, I suspect the league will need to add picks to compensate the new owner. I don't really see that as a big problem.

So, what am I saying. Yeah, I think two years is a good plan for the overall health of the league.

SCOOP

Thanks for your veteran insight Scoop ... as always!

Wow, that was really bad on my part. Sorry about that guys. I was in a real bad shape yesterday but I was still trying to do stuff. I even tried typing up a paper that is due on Tuesday. It didn't go very well. I'm a lot better today, I just keep having the cold sweats. I went to a local clinic last night; apparently I had a reaction with the meds that made me nauseous and dizzy.

I'll re-iterate what my feelings are: we should leave 2012 out of it until next season. I'm up for opening up unlimited; unrestricted trading barriers once we get a few seasons together under our belts. We still don't know if anyone will flake out next offseason and we don't want to have trouble replacing a team that has no more draft picks